Topher Grace is Venom?
Someone please tell me that someone is screwing with IMDB. Topher Grace is supposed to play Venom in the upcoming Spider-Man 3 according to IMDB.
Didn’t someone already play Eddie Brock in the earlier Spider-Man movies? I might be wrong, but I remember pointing it out to someone. Let’s ignore that because actors are regularly replaced.
Topher Grace though? Venom is a powerful, violent killer. He inspires terror in people. Does this this face scare you? Really?
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I still maintain that Spiderman 2 blew! So Spiderman 3 will as well… and most likely no nipple action.
I don’t think he was onscreen. I remember a reference to him in the first one, but not actually seeing him. Have to re-check my Spiderman DVD.
IMDB sez:
R.C. Everbeck …. Eddie Brock (uncredited)
I didn’t realize Brock made an appearance. Where was he/the reference to him in the movie?
If I remember correctly at one point someone at the Daily Bugle mentions how “Eddie” hadn’t been able to get good pics of Spiderman.
Just checked Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_%28comics%29
Scroll down to “Venom in Movies”, it mentions this.
Thanks for doing my research for me guys.
POSTA!!! CUALQUIERA!!!! EL PIBE ESE MUY FLACUCHO PARA SER VENOM. TENDRIA QUE HABER SIDO ARNOLD SEHACELNEGRO. YO SE EL FINAL. SPIDER MAN SE TERMINA ENAMORANDO DEL DUENE Y SE LO ENFIESTAN CON EL DE ARENA. CUCHILLO DE PALO
ei mano tu pegou um papel de ator muito massa de ser um vilao principal o Venom tu teve muita sorte
After seeing Christian Bale change from human skeleton in The Machinist to Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins, I start to consider Grace a good option…
Personally, I think grace is a perfect actor for the part of venom because he looks so much like eddie before the symboiote.
topher i see him in the movie in good comp.
venom might perfect for him bec. he has an eyes of evil……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
I agree about this topher grace dude. He doesn’t live up to the big bad ass venom as he is. I mean venom and brock both are huge. They need to get a a giant of a man to play venom not some scrawny little dork looking guy. Like a wrestler. Too bad they all suck at acting. But hell they could have gotten someone bigger than grace for the roll, you know. Save grace to play carnage or someone with a slimmer figure
I do not thin grace would be sutable to play eddie brock hes way to slim he would really have to buff up and grow in height therefor i see him playing someone like electro or the shocker I would really like to see venom in spidey 3 but how can they have venom in a pg13 movie venom is a violent killer i mean he brutaly murders people how can they show this in pg13 if they do it will totaly suck because they wont show you whats actually happening but thell give you a good idea which would be worth it also I would like to see spiderman get the black symbiote suit first that would be awesome!!!
Topher Grace as Venom would be a dumb idea, just as the idea of having Harry be the Hobgoblin( Hasn’t the Hobgoblin been bastardized enough already-Jason Macendale comes to mind). I think that Vin Diesel or Triple H would be a better idea for the role as Venom-Or maybe that one muscle head from the Torque movie.
THIS GRACE GUY MIGHT BE A GOOD CANIDATE FOR THE ROLL OF VENOM. REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT TOBY MAGUIRE PLAYING SPIDER-MAN? LOOK HOW FREAKIN’ AWESOME HE TURNED OUT TO BE. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY’LL PROBABLY END UP DOING? GRACE WILL SORT OF BULK UP A BIT, LIKE HOW TOBY BULKED UP FOR THE ROLL, AND WHEN HE “MORPHES” INTO VENOM, THEN POW! MOVIE MAGIC. YEAH, MAYBE A VIN DISEL CHARACTER OR SOMEONE WITH THE CALIBUR OF AN “EDDIE BROCK” MATERIAL WOULD BE A BETTER CHOICE THAN THIS GRACE GUY, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS MOVIE IS A PG-13. RAIMI WANTS ALL AGES TO ENJOY THIS MOVIE. MR. RAIMI IS SMART. THATS HOW HE CAN GENERATE MORE MONEY AND REVENUE. THINK ABOUT IT.
YEAH IT WOULD BE BETTER AND MORE SPECTACULAR IF THIS MOVIE WAS RATED R AND WE CAN SEE BLOOD AND GORE. THEN RAIMI CAN BRING THE LIZARD INTO PLAY TO THIS MOVIE. THEN THE LIMITATIONS TO EDDIE WOULD BE ENDLESS. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT IF RAIMI COMBINED THE TWO VILLIANS, THEN HE WOULD HAVE MOVIE HISTORY. BUT…IM SPEAKING OUT OF MY ASS.
REALISTICALY SPEAKING, SINCE RAIMI’S TARGETED AUDIENCES ARE KIDS TO SENIORS, HE HAS TO MAKE THIS MOVIE ENTERTAINING AND FUN TO WATCH. PERSONALLY SPEAKING, MY SON LOVES SPIDER-MAN, AND IF THERE IS BLOOD AND GORE IN THIS MOVIE AND HE WANTS TO WATCH IT AND I HAVE TO TELL HIM, “SORRY SON, YOU CANT WATCH THIS MOVIE BECAUSE SPIDERMAN IS TOO VIOLENT AND THE BAD GUYS ARE TOO SCARY, ” HES GOING TO THINK THAT HIS “HERO” IS A PUNK AND A BAD-GUY.
ANYWAY, IM WAY OFF TOPIC. GETTING BACK INTO TOPIC, I SAY GRACE IS PERFECT FOR THE ROLL.
Topher Grace should not be Venom. Hands down. He shouldn’t even be in this movie as anyone. And Harry Osborne will never become Hobgoblin because he will become the GreenGoblin. The Hobgoblin was Roderick Kingsley, who started out as a fashion designer and millionaire and happened upon Norman Osborne’s GreenGoblin equipment.
yeah, i think topher grace will be like toby too. its not that hard to picture, and casting vin disel or someone else with as horrible acting talent as him would just be a mistake. and im pretty sure eddie brock was not in either of the last movies, otherwise itd be magnified
forget about sandman i think that carnage and venom would be better because there both the same and i also think vin deisel should play venom but topher grace would do good as carnage and where did sandman ever come in when venom was there or maybe thomas hayden church would du a good venom. putting sandman would just kill the whole story
I agree. Topher would be perfect as venom. I mean. we’ve only seen him in comedy roles. why dont we let him stretch out and see his other side of acting? I bet he will be wonderful. If the director of spider-man CHOSE topher then he must have been a prett damn good cantidate for venom. because if im not mistaken i belive stan lee also has a say in it and if Topher was chosen over everyone else then they must know what they’re doing over there =D I love Topher and I cant wait to see him as Venom
i agree that venom and carnage should be in it together . sandman is a gay peace of shit made out of sand
sandman is gay and i think liz is right
I’m not down with using “gay” in a derogatory way.
liz and zoey, you both have the same IP address. Either you live together and use the same router, or you’re the same person.
if sandman is in this movie then electro should be the other villian in this movie and then do lizard for spiderman 4 then use venom and carnage for spiderman 5 and finally, do green goblin 2 and hobgoblin for spiderman 6
I say, if you’re gonna have eddie brock/venom in sp3, it should be Brock Lesnar playing him. It needs to be someone huge… then again, i doubt we’d see venom in sp3. We’ll probably be introduced to Eddie Brock and the black suit… and they probably won’t merge together until the end.
I think Topher’s gonna be awesome as Venom, he rocks “That 70’s show” and i’m confident that Raimi knows what he’s doing, the villains in the previous films were done in such a way that avoided any kind of campiness. (Unlike Gene Hackman’s portrayal of Lex Luthor, classic though it was) If all else fails, theres always CGI to think about, as long as its done with a little more style and subtlety than Ang Lee’s awful Hulk re-hash, for me the Hulk died when Bill Bixby died.
fukin white!!!!!!!
I agree with every statement said here… Topher Grace wouldn’t even be my last choice as Venom, but if it was the guy they chose over all others than it must be for the better. I would have probably chose someone older like Kurt Russell (best known as Snake Plissken from Escape form New York.) or Robert Patrick (best known as the T-1000 from T2: Judgment Day.) or even that guy they got playing Sandman, because if I think right in the comic, TV series Eddie Brock is older than Peter Parker/Spiderman. It doesn’t really mater to me the actor real physical body shape, because more than likely all the Venom shots and scenes will all be in CGI. I’m just curios weather they’re going to make Venom look more liquidly or solid. In the comics it different time to time some times he’s like a living pile of tar and other times he’s just a giant muscle with teeth and a tongue. Numerous friends and I agree too that the movie shouldn’t have Sandman, Hobgoblin, and Venom Combo, but a Carnage and Venom team up. Also I would like at the end to throw in a new character. One that even new to the comics… TOXIN!!!
In my opinion , I think that Topher is perfect for this role as Venom. Topher looks like he would be a terific villian and I can’t wait to see the movie and see how good he will do <3
Take another look at IMDB, they’ve listed Dylan Baker as Curt Connors Ph.D./The Lizard and Rosemary Harris as May Parker/Carnage! Are they taking the fans views on board or are they messing with us? Also, they’ve now changed Topher Grace’s character to just Eddie Brock with no mention of Venom(?!?!?)
I agree with slvr-rsx, totally. Brock lesnar is just the size of eddie and the intensity of eddie. Topher grace would be more suited for carnage, eventhough i would rather see someone that is totally twisted to play carnage, idk im thinking nicolas cage he was pretty crazy in faceoff and 3000 miles to graceland.
But, Maybe they are trying to make spidey and venom equals? It seems interesting but so much different from the real spiderman series. Venom has always been the faster, stronger, and more agile person compared to spidey i would probably think sm3 is gay if i saw a weak ass venom.
Oh and wtf Rosemary harris as carngage i think someone is fucking with the imbd
posted by dana: I still maintain that Spiderman 2 blew! So Spiderman 3 will as well… and most likely no nipple action.
no, spiderman 2 was better then spiderman so fuck anyone who says otherwise.
topher grace is a good actor and people conpletly change for part why can’t topher and if he not as big use special effects.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT EDDIE WAS A LOT SMALLER BEFORE HE GOT THE VENOM SUIT
topher grace shouldn’t be venom. simple as that. what is marvel thinking? get ken shamrock to play eddie brock. he’d be great. the face the muscles the voice. i’d rather them not even have venom in the 3rd movie. they are going to ruin his character so bad. it can already see it. i own every venom comic and almost every appearance of his and he’s been one of my favs since I was 9 years old. now I am 23 and I can’t believe they are going to do this to one of the greatest villan/heroes in comics. this sucks. GET KEN SHAMROCK!!!
Ken Shamrock? Brock Lesnar? Don’t you people remember how terrible the films with wrestlers in have been? Suburban Commando, Scorpion King, Batman & Robin, and don’t even get me started on Thunder in Paradise. Wrestlers can’t act, they can barely even do their own jobs convincingly. NO MORE WRESTLERS IN FILMS!
then they should give him acting lessons. i think the rock is a good actor. anyone can learn how to act. with all the other actors as a good cast it will still be good. it’s just ken shamrock looks so much like eddie brock and he has the physique. i think he would do a great job (even though Tito is gonna beat his ass in few weeks, UFC not wrestling by the way). but you have to get someone who looks the part not just because they are the “it” actor right now. like when they got Micheal Clark Duncan to play kingpin. the kingpin is a white dude. he may be a good actor but he looked nothing like the kingpin. hollywood and comics don’t mix. and what was up with the story line from x-men 3?
i think that spiderman will use the black suit and fight sand with it and brock will merge with the suit at the end.
It’s easier for actors to bulk up than for wrestlers to learn to act. I’ll be fine with topher as long as he bulks up more than toby…
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I think Grace would be Ok at playing Venom. (Remember, Brock wusnt that built b4 Venom came into the picture.) Besides, not many people r gonna remember that Brock was a huge guy. in the comics it shows spidey bein muscular, in the movie hes not. I think that the actor who plays Sandman would be a better choice but o well.By the way which movie mentions that Brock didnt get pics of spidey, and wut part. Thanks.
as eric forman once said “Rock and Roll!” this film will rock! i love eric! he’s the best actor ever!
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hey you guys! Im so exited about my third movie. Now just so you know its a true story, and I hope you will enjoy it as well like the fist two movies. To tell you the truth, I didnt even know they where filming me during that time. But thats alright, Ive heard they film a lot of people going trough thing like I go through in life. They do it on people all the time. Did you know that Tom Cruise didn’t know he was in that vampire movie until three months later? Weird. But anyway, I hope you’ll like this sequale because I put all my powers in to it, and kicked a lot of ass too. Thanks you for all of your supports. Love Peter Parker a.k.a Spider-Man
Omfg.
What is it with everyone thinking that Topher is bad for the role? You honestly think they’re just gonna put a costume on him when he becomes venom?
VENOM WILL BE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY ANIMATED. THERE IS NO WAY THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH VENOM’S LOOK BY JUST WEARING A MERE COSTUME. HE WILL BE ANIMATED. END OF STORY.
Topher Grace sucks. Eddie Brock has to be big or else it won’t sork. The Venom symbiote feeds off of Brock’s muscles that’s why Venom is bigger than Spider-Man, ya see? Plus, Topher Grace is too recognizable on screen. When you see the film, you won’t think, there’s Brock you’ll think “There’s that little nerd form 70’s show!” No one will take him seriosuly.
What was Raimi thinking. Topher Grace as Venom, as if Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker wasn’t bad enough, and what are they thinking releasing by releasing Venom this early, save him for the grand finale. In this next movie the Sandman is perfectly fine, but they need to leave Harry Osborn out of the picture, the only true Green Goblin was Norman Osborn, Harry Osborn brought embarrasment to the Goblin Legacy. And if possible, along with Sandman put in The Rhino (but he’d be better in a Hulk movie). Then in Spider-Man4 make like a creature duo consisting of Scorpion and Lizard. Then Spider-Man5 should have Electro (but no Shocker, he’s just a ripoff of Electro), and have him get help from a scientist like Morbius (in vampire form). Then for the grand finale Spider-Man6 Venom and Carnage. And if they have room put in Hobgoblin, Vulture, or Kraven, but don’t waste movies on them, keep them as second notices, but out of every movie, Mysterio, Shocker and Chameleon, and just ignore the Harry Osborn thing, I don’t care how long they’ve been setting those two up to fight, Harry Osborn sucks!
I meant to say that Mysterio, Shocker, and Chameleon, don’t even need to be in any of the movies. They have to be some of the worst villians in Spidey history, I accidentally forgot to put in KEEP in “but out of every movie”, to “but keep out of every movie”.
Hey dumbass,
Look at when this was posted.
While I need to be convinced that Topher Grace will make a decent Venom, I’ve already convinced myself that he’d make a much better Carnage. He’d just… fit the part better, IMO.
I don’t doubt that Grace is a good actor but that doesn’t mean he’s right for the role. Take George Clooney as Batman for example; Clooney is a great actor but he was a lousy Batman. Another example is Jennifer Garnier as Elektra-Good actress but she wasn’t convincing as the femme fatale( Lucy Lawless, Catherine Zeta Jones or Angelina Jolie would have been better choices). I think the problem with Hollywood is that they go with actors who are popular for roles they are not suited for rather than people who aren’t popular for roles they are suited for. I’ve seen pictures of R.C. Everbeck and he looks like a much better choice because he is bulked up a bit. Other choices for Venom would be Judson Mills or that guy who played the Red Dragon in that Hannibal Lector film-Now he was bulked up and scary!
75%of you guys are idiots, the other 25%dont know what they are saying , Topher is a perfect choice for this role 1. he looks like brock before the symbiote suit 2. the suit transforms him into venom, with the teeth, the muscles, the tounge,giving eddie brock everything he wanted and needed to kill spiderman for ruining his life. 3. spiderman was uneffected by the suit because a. he has already been mutated and b. if i am correct the suit mutates with spideys other suit, making it better. for those of you whom are noobs to the venom concept, let me put it together in short, the alien symbiote suit stuck with spidermans dna after being fused with spidermans suit, thus after joining with brock it gave him spideys dna, but amplifying its powers, because the suit and spidey were buds for a while it knows his weakness’ like how to avoid triggering the ’spidey-sense’, i would also like to mention the symbiote has been around since the beginning of time, which means its one smart motherfucker..oh and one more quick note, the suit and brock are both VERY PISSED at spidey, so this means that venom will definatly be his greatest rival of all time, Topher is perfect, he seems like a brilliant villian, and there is nothing wrong with his shape for the role, thus 3/4 of you are complete and utter dolts
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ANY ONE WHO BELIVES THAT THERE GOING TO SEE VENOM AND SPIDERMAN ACTUALLY FIGHT IN SPIDERMAN 3,MUST BE ON CRACK.IT’S SIMPLY A SET UP FOR PT4.SPIDEY WILL BE TO BUSY FIGHTING SANDMAN AND HOBGOBLIN.TO THROW IN THE BEST VILLIN OF HIS LIFE.TOPHER GRACE WILL BE THERE TO LACE THE STORY OF BROCKS TRANSFORMATION INTO VENOM.AND IT REALLY WON’T MATTER HOW BUILT HE IS.BECAUSE ALL VENOM SHOTS WILL BE SOME OF THE BEST CGI YOU’VE EVER SEE IN YOUR LIFE.AND AS I STATED BEFORE YOU WON’T SEE VENOM TILL DAMN NEAR THE END OF THE MOVIE.SO DON’T GET YOUR HOPES UP TO HIGH FOR A VENOM-VS-SPIDEY FLICK.AS YOU ALL KNOW WITH THESE COMIC BOOK MOVIES.HOLLYWOOD ALWAYS LAYS DOWN THE STORY LINE FIRST.FOR EVERYONE THAT HAS NOT FOLLOWED THE COMIC.SO SORRY TO BURST EVERYONES BUBBLE BUT “NO REAL VENOM” TILL SPIDERMAN 4.
This movie is going to suck balls, they’re going to ruin Venom just like they ruined Doc Oc.
I’ll stick with the comics rather than watching the crappy movies. Every comic book ever made just brings the characters to the mainstream and ruins them, think about it, Spawn (my favorite comic book character) sucked balls, Fantastic 4 was the gayest movie I’ve ever seen and they’re actually going to make another one and ruin silver surfer. Hmm, Spiderman 1 & 2 sucked balls, X-Men sucked. Ironman (another of my favorites) is going to suck whenever it comes out. And don’t even talk to me about Daredevil because that movie sucked balls six times over.
Oh and I almost forgot, The Punisher sucked ass, and the seque will as well.
I think if Christian Bale did not play Batman he would have been the perfect venom. Topher Grace is just a little too small. Also how many villians are in this new movie. The are going to mess it up.
waaa no puedo creer q topher grace va a ser venom!!! no me gusta para nada spiderman pero de hecho la voy a ver!! el es un excelente actor sobre todo en that 70s show ….. es lo maximo … el mejor actor para el papel … el mejor!
i love topher grace is d best actor ever if u don’t like him … fuck u!!
Yes, everyone was like” what the fuck?!” , “Topher Grace, from That 70’s Show?? is gonna be venom, hahaha, no way!” well… fuck you, Topher Grace is gonna play a very important role in the Spiderman history and series but that doesn’t mean hes gonna fuck it up you idiots , hes fucken awesome for that role think about it - SPECIAL EFFECTs, CGI covers for his physique, so im looking forward to seeing him on that movie and play as Venom. and umm…..cheers! dont do drugs children!! but party, drink smoke and have sex, a lot of it!!-
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Personally, Karl Urban would have made a good Eddie Brock, but Topher Grace???? Who the hells idea was that? I think I speak for ANYONE who has ever even looked at a Spiderman comic, cartoon, video game, collector’s card or anything remotely related to Spiderman in any way shape or form, when I say that Topher Grace is the WORST possible candidate for Venom, and it’s an insult. I’m surprised no one slapped Sam Raimi for even considering it in the first place, it’s times like these when I wonder how Hollywood always manage to fuck up something that is so clear and simple, and more then anything else I feel as much betrayed as I do disgusted for the fact that Stan Lee allowed it, he may as well have just spat in the faces of all his fans.
Ok, a couple of you people have been posting that Topher Grace is “perfect for the role of Eddie Brock”. Some of you said that Eddie Brock wasn’t big before getting the symbiote; basically you shouldn’t be posting about Eddie Brock because, in the simplest form, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Here is a list of links to pictures of Eddie Brock spanning throughout the early original comic books through to the more recent animated series of Spiderman in the mid 90’s. In some of the pictures you will see Eddie Brock just before he gets the symbiote and in others without it at all. If any of you can honestly say that Eddie Brock was not a well built, Olympic body building sized character (which is clearly stated in profiles of his character along with any of the pictures you will see), then get your eyes checked, seriously, go see a doctor because if you drive a car, operate a fork lift through to something as simple as pushing a shopping cart, you’re a danger to society, and don’t bother disagreeing with me because you are wrong.
http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Venom.html
http://www.spiderfan.org/shows/tv_90s/season1/images/13l.jpg
http://www.pop-arena.com/articles/venom/venom2.jpg
http://www.spiderfan.org/shows/tv_90s/season1/images/13i.jpg
http://www.arcadiaclub.com/img/desk/p.venomsimbiotatrasformazione.JPG
http://dreamers.com/venenodefinitivo/eddiebrockbio.jpg
Topher Grace is no more perfect for the role of Eddie Brock then Urkel, you dunces.
No if u guys have noticed in the trailers for the new SM movie you notice that topher has already bulked up for the role. hes way bigger now. if you guys paid attention to detail you would have noticed. hes going to make an awesome venom. screw vin diesal. hes too tan bald and if he grows hair he looks dumb as hell and hes a sh*tty actor.
oh yeah. watch the trailer for spider man and look at the size of tophers neck. the damn thing got huge. if toby mcguire can bulk up as much as he did if you have ever seen revenge of the red baron than you would know this much is true.
What in the fuck was Raimi thinking. Topher Grace as Eddie Brock. Someone please tell me that Colombia pictures or whoever the fuck it is that is making this film is just trying to fuck with us. I can’t even imagine Topher Grace as one of the good villians. Raimi should have put Grace in as one of the shit villians, like Mysterio, or those gay losers, Shocker and Chameleon, but even then what would be the point. How could Raimi take one of the greatest, or possibly the greatest villians in history, and turn him into a squeaky, nerdy, little skinny twarp. What the fuck is going on. On top of all that, they want to re-release, yes one of the most awesome villians: the Green Goblin, but it’s the Harry Osborn version, who was no different from that fuck-up Shocker. Instead of having an enemy who is weaker, slower, and stupider than Spider-Man, why not have a villian who is stronger, faster(although maybe not smarter, but what’s to lose), like Scorpion, or Lizard. And what the fuck is with the black costume, all’s it is, is the original costume painted black, it needs to have the symbol on the chest, and the white eyes, and complete black wherever else. The only thing that is even keeping me exited about seeing Spider-Man3 is the fact that Sandman is going to be released, maybe the movie should be called Sandman, instead Spider-Man3, because everything else in the movie is a bunch of fucked up bullshit. After watching the first two movies, how awesome Raimi did Doctor Octopus and The Green Goblin (except for the Goblin costume, it could have been way better), how could Raimi fail us fans. I let him go when he picked that reject Toby Maguire to play Peter Parker, but now he did it, he should never be allowed to even touch a comic book again.
Chad, I’ve devised a list of reasons as to why you’re wrong.
First of all, I’ve seen the trailers for Spiderman 3 and Topher Grace has hardly, as you say “bulked up”
Second, even if Topher was twice the size that he has become for the role of Eddie Brock, that still wouldn’t change the fact that he is only 5’11” feet tall, or 5’10” and a half, (depending on where you get your source) which is a measly 3, maybe 2 and half inches taller then Toby Maguire, barely enough to differentiate height between the 2 for god sake. Eddie Brocks profile states a height of 6’3”, he is meant to tower above Spiderman in height, and there fore someone at least 6 inches taller than Toby Maguire would have been fine! (obviously fitting all the other characteristic profiles of Eddie Brock)
Third, from every source I have searched on Topher Grace, it states a variable weight of 150 to a 165 lbs, tops, again, depending on your source, however a 165 lbs tops is a long shot from Eddie Brocks profile weight of 260 lbs, sourced from Marvel Comics very own official website marvel.com, don’t believe me? Here’s the link:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Venom(EddieBrock)
Fourth, Topher Grace, even after bulking up, still looks like a teenager trying to fit the profile of a tall, bulky, manly looking character, and I’ve seen many trailers and still shots from Spiderman 3, so don’t tell me he looks huge, because he doesn’t. Some people might harp on about camera angles, plat form shoes, blah, blah, blah, here’s a tip, cast someone who fits the profile!
Fifth, Topher Grace’s voice sounds too young, just as much as he looks too young for the role of Eddie Brock, I’ve seen many films with Topher Grace, Just the other day I watched P.S. and I liked it, I’ve seen In Good Company and I’ve seen more then enough episodes of That 70’s Show to know Topher Graces acting ability isn’t in question, I’ve liked many of he’s films and I have no issue with his acting, what I do have an issue with, is Topher playing a character that he doesn’t in any way, shape or form fit the role.
Sixth, some people might say “Topher Grace is playing Eddie Brock Jr.” For those of you who don’t know, Eddie Brock Junior is a little pip squeak from Ultimate Spiderman, which is pretty much a re-created modernized version of Spiderman that sits completely outside the Marvel Universe. Topher Grace is perfect for the role of Eddie Brock Jr. and pretty much EXACTLY fits the profile, however Eddie Brock Jr. is not in Spiderman 3. If you go to imdb.com and search Topher Grace, it will clearly state that he is playing the character of Eddie Brock/Venom, oh and just in case you want to pour some cement into that, why not check out the Home section of the official Spiderman 3 website and click on the picture of Topher Grace where you will notice it clearly states Eddie Brock/Venom. But don’t take my word for it, here are the links.
http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/spiderman3/site/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/
Notice there is no “Jr”.
I think it’s fair to assume that anyone out there who is even slightly a Spiderman fan has been waited for the day they get to see Venom come to life on the Big Screen. It wouldn’t surprise me if 80% of fans have anticipated or thought about the possibility of Venom being in a film more than any other villain, I think it’s fair to say they should have chose someone more fitting to the character, at least to honor the real fans who paid for the comics, collected them religiously, watched the cartoons and continued to promote and support Spiderman in the first place, which intern was the only reason it ever became popular enough to make a movie out of it.
I make this extremely detailed post not to be a jerk, not to flaunt that I am completely right, even though I am, but because I am a massive fan of Spiderman, and because Venom is one of my favorite villains, if not my number 1 favorite villain of all time. It infuriates me that they cast someone so ridiculously unfitting for the role of one of the greatest, most pivotal villains of Spiderman. There are plenty of actors out there who can act very well and would have both fit and probably would have accepted the role.
Some people have made cracks at Toby Maguire playing Spiderman, and that he was a bad choice because he was too thin or nerdy, but Spiderman was, and has always been a lean, nerdy fighting machine, a fantastic contrast of a super hero that is only over shadowed by the even more heroic, compassionate, and selfless character of Peter Parker. In my opinion, Toby Maguire was perfect for the role of Peter Parker, he has done an awesome job, both because he is a talented actor and also equally as important, he fit the role.
I just PRAY that they don’t end up making a spin off Venom Movie, and Topher Grace ends up being the future of Venom.
Oh God Please someone put me out of my misery Theyre going to fuck up THE GREATEST VILLIAN OF ALL FUCKING TIME God i hope they CGI the shit out of him but even if they do its still going to be yet another embarassment Like X-MEN…( Should have just called it WOLVERINE, and friends ) Of course i am a Logan fan but come the fuck on wtf! The there was Fantastic Four…..YA uh huh I thought Punisher was atleast a step up…but still Then Spidy….though i thought Spiderman 1 was the better of the two…mainly because Willem Dafoe was perfectly casted for the Green Goblin…and did a bad ass job But Doc Oc man……WTF!?!?! Honestly back in the day, when would Doc Oc be such a pussy….And actually REPENT!!! WHAT THE FUCK! But i understand its for the kids…for the kids…..well i have kids and i say they have enough fuckin movies The Comic Book ERA IS OURS They have enough bullshit It is about money….But what about DEVOUT FANS! Buying these comics every chance we had every release, and what do they do THEY FUCK US FOR YET ANOTHER BUCK I am a completely enraged fan and this is complete and utter bullshit Topher Grace is a decent actor But that is not the point All the greatest CGI in the world could never resurrect this movie May You burn in hell for ruining the greatest villian of all time
If your reading this and your puzzled and confused at what im talking about Close out of this window, because you do not belong in a conversation that you know absolutely nothing about I for one am not going to see this movie Because i uphold a strong opinion and view of Venom And i will not witness yet another mockery on comic fans everywhere
When the fuck did it become cool to know what a comic is! I remember getting picked on and labeled a nerd for reading comics NOW…Every jock, asshole and cheerleader are into it and we have to stand by and watch them destroy the very world we grew up hiding in!? Fuck that. One thing i never thought i would say Stan Lee, Fuck you. You sell out fuckin hollywood monkey puppet! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!
MY GOD YOU’RE ACTING LIKE A BUNCH OF 5 YEAR OLDS!!!! THE MOVIE ISN’T EVEN OUT YET AND YOU’RE ALREADY PANNING IT! APPARENTLY YOU’RE ALL PSYCHICS! THIS IS THE VISION THAT THEY WANT. THEY WANT AN EVIL DOPPLEGANGER OF SPIDERMAN. SO EFFING WHAT IF IT ISN’T EXACTLY LIKE THE COMICS. THIS IS A REINTERPRETATION. JUST TRUST THE DIRECTOR AND PRODUCERS THAT THEY WILL DO THIS JUSTICE.AT LEAST TOPHER CAN ACT!! WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE SOME HIMBO WRESTLER WHO CAN’T ACT TO SAVE HIS LIFE. JUST PULL YOUR STUBBORN HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES. YOU ALL KNOW YOU’RE GOING TO SEE THE MOVIE ANYWAY!!!
I agree whole heartedly with the anonymous pissed off comic fan, Venom is Spiderman’s greatest villian, and Hollywood has completely taken advantage of that. In the 1st movie they cast R.C. Everbeck a strikingly good resemblence of Eddie Brock from the ORIGINAL Spiderman story arc, not some bullshit offshoot ultimate spiderman pussy version. Hollywood started these movies mainly for the fans, but when they saw the money they could make they got greedy and cast a ‘real’ celebrity as Venom, corrupting the character of Venom to fit Topher Grace. Don’t get me wrong I love That 70’s Show, but seriously when you see Topher in the movie you’re gonna think Eric Forman, not menacing bad guy. Hollywood should have stuck with the path they were on with Spiderman 1, but as is the custom in Hollywood they screwed the true believers and fans to appeal to a bigger audience.
i saw eddie brock in the preview as topher and wtf?
I agree with all the pissed off people, WHAT IN THE FUCKING HELL WAS THAT STUPID NO GOOD FUCK OFF RAIMI THINKING WHEN HE CAST TOPHER GRACE AS EDDIE BROCK. Now I got nothing against Topher Grace himself, he’s a damn good actor, but just because he can act, doesn’t mean he fits the part, look at Robert De Niro, awesome actor, doesn’t mean he could play Spider-Man, so you assholes who think “ewww, don’t be insulting the directors, or producers, because they knew Topher could act, so that makes him good” can go back to reading those stupid fucking Shakespeare books, you guys need to shut the fuck up and go fuck yourselves. I just saw a new trailer last night when I went to see 300, it showed Topher Grace as Eddie Brock, he was in a church asking for forgiveness or something, and I’m telling you, he had absolutely no qualities of Eddie Brock, I was embarressed to even watch. If Topher did that bad of a job on the opening credits, then the image of Eddie Brock is fucked, no if’s, no but’s pure fucked. To play Eddie Brock, they need someone big, doesn’t matter if they can act or not, at least six feet tall, and now that I think about it, one of the anonymous people did say Ken Shamrock would be awesome, and I agree. And if anyone wants to try and tell me that wrestlers can’t act, just watch the trailer I mentioned earlier and see for yourself what good someone with good acting abilities was able to do to Eddie Brock.
It doesn’t matter if someone can act to play Venom. I mean look what how well Tyler Mane played Sabertooth, and Tyler is a horrible actor, but he still played the best Sabertooth. So if Tyler could play Sabertooth, I can believe anyday that Ken Shamrock would do the best Venom. And fuck the anonymous cocksucker who said that “Topher is going to play an important role in Spider-Man’s history”, go suck your boyfriend’s dick, then shove yours up his ass, same with the rest you fucks who think that Grace is gonna be awesome as Venom, because he isn’t. I already saw the trailer that the guy above mentioned, and he was right, the fucking Eddie Brock scene, was the most embarrassing and corny fucking thing in Marvel history, some good Topher’s great acting skills did there. Raimi has ruined the Eddie Brock/Venom image, he better make Venom look really cool to make up for shit Eddie Brock.
I understand why everyone’s so pissed off. Hollywood has been known to ruin some of the best characters of all time. Toper doesn’t look the part of Eddie Brock. One of the best-known comicbook villians deserves an actor who will do him justice. As above posters have said, why can’t they find a big wrestler or someone who resembles Eddie, and give them acting lessons? I’m not a huge comic book fan, but it pisses me off when a choice like this ruins a movie- and a legacy. If you’re going to make a movie based off comic books, why not follow the comics? This is an insult to Spiderman fans, and to Venom fans. There’s a lot of them out there.
go see the trailer you hipacrits. it lokks bloody awsome
Seriously, if you have not seen the new trailer there is a point where you do see this scrawny guy lookin a bit more bulk… I understand how everyone wants to try have everything to relate to the comics but hell one poster before said that everyone had their doubts of of Tobey Maguire; he is not a bad candidate for Spidey and has done well … Most of the critics out there just want the comic book to be copied and pasted into the big screen … it doesn’t happen! You have your comic books and you have your movies! …
I say shut ya traps; watch the movie and see what happens; if this Grace character screws the roll then imma be very disappointed but lets see how it goes…
I’m Alwayz Right & Angry Fellow ARE SOOO WRONG.
Go back to your link you provided and read the history and notes within the profile. That 6′3″ height and 260lbs was while he was Venom. http://www.marvel.com/universe/Venom
Between the time Peter/Spidey made him look the fool and the symbiote merged with him he began an intense work out program to relieve his stress which is why your links show him big as the symbiote comes to him in the church. http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/Venom.html
And David said it fed off his muscles… it feeds off emotions, the darker the better.
If you people that claim to be huge fans and have read Spidey from way back, then you should be more pissed about the story line than the actor. It’s obvious they’re going with the cartoon origin of Venom than the real deal. The symbiote was found by Spidey on a planet created by The Beyonder during Secret Wars, not the cartoon version of it coming to earth attached to the spaceship of Jameson’s astronaut son.
Swift: Plus the fact they are going with the Red/Blue costume painted black. It never merged with his costume (as Swift said), it replaced it because his got shredded. It patterned itself after Spider-woman’s because Peter was infatiated with her when they were on the planet together. It didn’t copy his DNA, but after being in a symbiotic relationship fo so long had “absorbed” his abilities. And yes, Peter was affected
Monev: And the times in the comics black Spidey had the liquid flowing strands was only when the symbiote was using his body while he slept or the symbiot was out by itself.
Peter was affected because with the symbiote feeding off his dark emotions he started acting on them. He started being angrier, dispassionate, and more brutal in his ass kickings. It was when he finally noticed the costume might be the cause that he got Reed Richards to check out his uniform and found out it was alive.
Also from the same link: “It also added bulk to his already large frame and increased his strength to superhuman levels”
Isaw the trailer, Topher Grace gave the fucking corniest, cheesiest potrayal of Eddie Brock. I couldn’t take it. The whole thing was Brock in a church telling God (who I’m assuming it was, because in the comics Eddie was catholic) that he felt ashamed asking him to kill Spider-Man. In that 5 or 10 second, it was clear that Grace is gonna make Brock look the opposite from the comics. In the comics Brock was a big, buff,scaryfrightening, mercenary-looking, raised in the Bronx(even though it was San Francisco), no remorse, heavy-duty fucker. In every Spider-Man 3 trailer, clip, behind-the-scenes footage, theyhave made him look like a little scrawny, book thumping, hasn’t-been-laid-never-will, sorry little jackoff. It’s fucking humiliating. On a good note however, I did see what”Venom”is gonna look like. The stripes on the arm need to go, but all in all, it was cool, so that plus the Sandman is the only thing that is going to be exiting about Spider-Man 3
Hey GenX you stupid dumb fuck, the point is that Brock was big and scary even before the symbiote attached to him.
First off: Any of those among you who have to curse up and down to prove your point are just showing your ignorance.
Topher is NOT right for the part of Venom.
He(Topher)is just too skinny and squeaky. I have been very excited to see the third movie ever since I heard that it was being made; however, that excitement has dwindled quite a bit since I heard who was playing Brock/Venom. I will probably still see the movie but I won’t pay to see it. A friend will probably rent it and I will watch it then. But I definitely will NOT give them my money for this travesty.
Topher is o.k but, isn’t the right guy to be playing venom
Topher isnt the right guy to play venom
Anonymous Cursing name-caller
Do you have any real input or do you just troll around to sling crap?
If you’ve read back to know the real point, several people tried to point out that Brock was always buff and bigger than Parker which is why Venom is too huge to be played by Grace. (Yes, he was buff before the symbiot, but only after starting a rigorous work-out routine and he certainly wasn’t 6′3 and super strong until after)
In fact, a few of those people tried to use websites as factual data to back up their claims. I simply pointed out that they didn’t even research their own data enough and didn’t have a clue what they were talking about.
If they had read more of the data, or even if they are old enough to have read Spider-man years before “Secret Wars” was introduced, they would have known Brock started out a normal guy. He didn’t buff up until he started a work-out program to relieve the stress he blamed on Parker, and then when merged with the symbiot, he grew even bigger.
That was MY point, just to get the facts straight!
Go troll somehwere else…
Anyhow, It’s still going to be awesome just because they have the special effects and CGI to make Venom with his teeth, tongue, and all. They have the ability with CGI to make him bigger as Venom or even have a stand-in once the symbiot is attached like the old Hulk TV show. He’s got super-spider/symbiot strength, he doesn’t have to be built like the Hulk to throw cars around.
Even though the movie isn’t our for another 2 days, the story line of the symbiot arriving is already out because of the Spider-man 3 coloring books in the children’s sections of book stores. Appearently it’s a whole new twist in the fact there is a freak meteor shower that Parker and Mary-Jane watch one night and he symbiot is in one of the rocks that hits close by.
I saw the movie today. Venom, counldn’t have been any better. Venom had no moral, no regard for innocent life, like in the comic, and the Venom costume looked fucking awesome. Eddie Brock on the other hand, was the worst Eddie Brock I have ever seen. So any of you who said that Topher Grace would have been good for the part, were fucking wrong. All of you fans have a right to be pissed off, Topher had no qualities of Eddie Brock, none. The only reason I even went to see the movie was because I knew that Venom would be cool, and it was that that made me see the movie. So comic fans, all that you have to do, is pay no attention to Grace, and you’ll enjoy it.
Topher grace is an excellent actor but I think they could’ve got a better, more ripped Eddie Brock. I think Eddie Brock could’ve been MUCH much better! Venom on the other hand was fucking sexy! They did a kick-ass job on Venom! but there was one thing I found wrong with venom, and that was his toungue. there wasn’t really a lot of toungue. there’s one scene where it slightly comes out, but I think they should have killed it with the toungue!! The toungue is one of the things that make Venom VENOM!! I saw the movie merely for the fact that Venom would appear!And personally, I think it was worth the wait!
I would first like to say that I am not a comic guru, I am not educated in the marvel universe or the ways of the force, all I know is movies and generalities about comics. I know that Venom is a beloved character for most people and that there are a great number of versions of Venom, most of which were rendered as symbiote + Eddie Brock. If we were to look at just cover pictures you would see a wide range of sizes, shapes, and viscocities. Knowing these points it is safe to assume that Eddie Brock is also drawn in various sizes and shapes, thats what is great about comics, they are ever changing.
If we take the thinnest, nerdiest looking Brock, Topher would be more than capable of handling this. No one can attain the body shape and size of the largest Venom incarnation, nor the giant smile, so we know there will be plenty of CG to take care of that.
You must approach the movie with the love of the spirit of each comic book character and not get hung-up on the exterior appearance. I saw the movie yesterday and it was a good movie, not the best, but it ranks up there in the comicbook-to-movie line-up. The blacksuit was great, the storyline was solid, and Venom was every bit as acrobatic, sinister, and cruel toward Peter Parker as he could be developed in that 30 minute slot.
The next movie, and we all know there will be a next one, will most likely include either a story involving the small sample with the good doctor or with a small amount of black goo that remains burning on the building floor in the movie. Venom is too popular to only get 30 minutes of screen-time so have no fear he will return, and since Eddie seems to have been obliterated, he can be reformed by the symbiote into a buffer guy or may not be in the movie at all, we just have to wait to see.
I have this wierd feeling they will try to use the symbiote sample as a means for Doc Conners to become the Lizard. I know it wasn’t how it happened in the comics, but then the symbiote didn’t fall to earth in a meteor shower in the comics either.
I don’t think that sample could become Venom because it was removed before the symbiote merged with Brock; however, all that webbing from Venom was actually part of itself so there are plenty of possibilities…
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I don’t think that sample could become Venom because it was removed before the symbiote merged with Brock; however, all that webbing from Venom was actually part of itself so there are plenty of possibilities